MVM Entertainment shifts Garden of Sinners release date

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  1. Just Passing Through

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    That's your fault, huh? Listen. When Someone asks you what cute tsundere loli detective series you want, you say... Gosick! :p
     
  2. Acteon

    Acteon Behind you...

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    I'll get nagging :)
     
  3. Shiroi Hane

    Shiroi Hane Baka Ranger

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    Well I for one already have (although at the time there was no BD option...)

    While the visuals are good, it isn't perhaps the best show to demonstrate high definition - I remember screenshots from when the BDs came out (and again, this was quite a while after the initial DVD release) that showed some smearing etc. Doesn't it fall into the "upscaled from something higher than SD but not full HD" camp?
     
  4. Mormegil

    Mormegil 12professions 13accidents

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    doens't say so on the box :s And there is an OVA? :O

    I made a valid point? :O accidents do happen
    And in that case I'll thank you for heaven's memo pad, I hope they din't burn their hands on it :)

    That would be rather odd, since they are theatrical movies. I'm no expert, but isn't a cinema screen more res then a HD TV? Or am I just stupid?

    And maybe I was going a bitt to much on a "I kind of don't like kaz"-rant, but I think MVM is still the victim in this particular case.
    To be denied the BD rights to a show with a frantic (I include myself in this so I'm allowed to say it) fanbase partially due to it's visuals, is a bummer for them to say the least.
    I think MVM is taking alot of blame, whilst Aniplex is standing behind them pulling the strings. Don't shoot the puppet, aim for the pupeteer :p or direct your hate towards Kaz^^
     
  5. TiggsPanther

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    Aniplex seem to be doing this a lot recently. (They may not be the only one, but they're the most visible example)

    Garden of Sinners. Kill la Kill. Sword Art Online. They're dictating to the UK distributors how a show must be released, regardless of the fact that the UK distros know their market and what it actually wants. Leaving them taking a lot of sh..... a lot of flak over release strategies that aren't what the customers want but are ultimately out of their control.
     
  6. megalomaniac

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    The problem there is people buy them anyway & Aniplex go: "See told ya, more of the same please".
     
  7. TiggsPanther

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    And therein lies the true problem. And I'm not sure what the answer is as there are several legitimate reason why they would sell anyway.

    Price limits are a very individual thing. In my case, i did buy Sword Art Online as it was one of my favourite shows form last year and the price wasn't outrageous.

    That's not to say I don't think it was overpriced. But it was at the outside edge of what I am willing to pay. Plus it was split across four months. (Including Christmas and Birthday spending money)

    Collector Editions have a very dedicated following. Enough to make releases like Kill la Kill sell well.
    In that case it being an Anime limited release there was always going to be a collector version, barring an Aniplex Veto. And their regular editions always come out later. So initial-sales wise, it will look the same.

    It's the additional delay and slightly higher price (that is justifiable if you want to collector extras and exhorbitant if you flat-out dislike them) that makes it more frustating for those of us waiting for the regular release.
    But that means very little figures-wise when the one-year-earlier release completely satisfies its target audience.

    UK Distributors end up playing man-in-the-middle. And it is pretty much impossible so send a real middle-finger to Aniplex without throwing the UK companies under the bus.

    After all, they'll only see (ever mind agree) the issue is a title completely bombed. But there will likely be a fair chunk of sales simply to support the local companies.

    Finally, It's better than nothing is a strong motivator. In the case of Garden of Sinners, people who aren't able to justify importing the Japanese BDs are likely to settle for the DVD version. Especially as there is currently no other country's English-language version to fall back on.

    Similarly, pricey releases (with no obvious chance of a cheaper version down the line) are still going to be preferable to "not buy it at all" for anyone who is really committed. Unless it crosses into stupid territory.
     
  8. Mormegil

    Mormegil 12professions 13accidents

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    there is a thin line between stupid and dedication ;)

    And I can't agree more. All go give that Tony-guy a pat on the back the next time you see him :)
     
  9. Shadow Cat

    Shadow Cat HelloKittyIsMyWaifu

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    Yup, I'm close to saying its Episode 13 rather than an OVA becuase its a pretty solid story driven OVA

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    As for Aniplex of America pulling the strings, ofc they are, why would they want Anime Limited to release a complete collection of Kill La Kill on Bluray for 50? Their Limited Edition sales would suffer from reverse importing UK to US and they would loose the "Oh bugger it I can't wait any longer, I'm just going to buy the AoA set" sales they get after the initial rush

    As for cost of Aniplex of America sets, if they see people buy them, why not sell them? I do wish they would release their smaller titles (Vividrex, Oreshura) like they did with Ano Hana, having the option of DVD, BR and Collectors Edition, so for anyone who would rather buy the Collectors Edtion could

    As for what I think of the price... Lets just say I wouldnt buy AnoHana Collectors Editon given another chance lol but I prefer it over the standard edition sets... its a weird place to be
     
  10. TiggsPanther

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    The thing that's always struck me wierdly about the whole Reverse Importation thing is that if it is really that much of a threat to domestic sales then it clearly points to a gap or a pricing issue in the domestic market.

    Brits importing to get something faster or a special edition is one thing. But when people in America or Japan will invest in additional or specialised players and deal with international shipping and potential import fees still with an eye to saving money on a product - and do it enough to harm US and Jp sales without really long release gaps - then there is a a very large section of the market that simply desire a more affordable product.
    (Note: Not "cheap", as regular importing is hardly a cheap hobby. Just "less expensive")

    Now, if companies like Aniplex (both arms) have an entire business model built around primarily collector-oriented releases with high price tags and physical extras then it is hard to know how they could change if it currently works for them. But that also doesn't automatically mean that the market will lie down and take it forever.
    They're probably relying on nothing giving way any time soon. And maybe it won't, but can they really guarantee that?

    And, to being this back around to an earlier part of the discussion, the same could be said for MVM and Blu-ray releases. As BD players are becoming both cheaper and more common. Yes, it is great that they are starting to release more BDs going forwards. But they are still relying on the DVD-buying market, especially as their is currently a rather large BD-shaped gap in their back catalogue. Yes, Manga have one as well. But, between volume of release and a headstart on re-embracing Blu-rays, theirs isn't likely to present as much of a problem as they still have quite a large Blu-ray selection. (Even if it does still have some pretty egregious omissions.)
     
  11. Reaper gI

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    (for film)
    32mm is normally near lossless at 720p
    48mm at 1080p

    For pre-digital TV 480p will do (some exceptions, like CCS, due to being on cinema grade masters)
    so yes HD TV is the higher res for most cases.

    KnK is if I remember correctly

    720p backgrounds with 480p characters. (and some HD effects)


    Bluray's normal benefits are better colour correction and little to no compression artefacts as well as lossless audio.
    The resolution is often minor compared to those.
     
  12. Mormegil

    Mormegil 12professions 13accidents

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    didn't quite get that, but I'll stay with my previous statement that I might be in fact stupid :)
    But I'll take away from it that my setup at home can beat a cinema in res :p
     
  13. TiggsPanther

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    Also, take into account any upscaling being from source and (hopefully) pre-compression. So even if it is lower resolution, it should be displaying at the best is possibly can. With nicer looking subtitles, to boot. And pretty likely better than an upscale of a DVD could look. (unless the BD is pretty shoddily mastered)
     

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