The Future of UKA

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  1. Weirdo

    Weirdo UKA Editor in Chief (Acting)
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    Hello

    I am posting this today to fill you in on the future goings on here at UK-Anime.net. Last week we have had several staff members and key contributors tender their resignations and we thank them for their work on the site. Similarly we have had some new appointments and new faces arrive on the site which has given me the opportunity to review what we do and move the site forward.

    Firstly, as posted on the forum and on our news feed, in light of the negative reactions to the podcast and its article and the divisive nature of the criticism and support, Ross decided to step away from the editorial lead of the site to ensure that the personal views raised do not impact the site. From this, he has handed the reins to me and I am looking to move the site forward as the Editor in Chief. He has created a new anime venture and we wish him the best with this new site.

    In terms of the running of the site and our content production, we are going to maintain the wide spread of coverage which the site delivers to its readership including our Anime section, ToyBox and Games, Figures, Live Action and Manga reviews. While we rebuild and restructure our team, and these new members of the team will make themselves known shortly, we will be doing our best to keep the site running business as usual. News is still one of our priorities and this is being maintained to ensure that you get the latest information every day.

    In terms of the podcast, this is going to be rebooted as Season 4 once the editorial team have decided on a new format. At the moment, this is looking to be a fortnightly podcast which will allow the team to prepare more for each episode.

    For now, I am taking a few days to recalibrate due to some personal issues and I everything will be back to normal shortly.

    For now, I will let the new editorial team introduce themselves on the forum, and I am open to any questions or comments which you may have.

    Seb Reid
     
  2. rjessop

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    Hi Seb.

    On twitter you said that "I'll be putting up an article in due course which I hope might summarise our position and what happened."

    Is that still coming, or is the above forum post what you wanted to say?

    Thanks.
     
  3. Necro

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    Whats Ross' new venture? I'm still non the wiser about everything really.
     
  4. Weirdo

    Weirdo UKA Editor in Chief (Acting)
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    I don't think that a full article will help to be honest. I think the above summary and the prior news post will do. The content is gone and I do not have the original file. I am frankly sick of the whole incident and all I can do is to ensure that it doesn't occur again. We have taken sufficient steps in my opinion with the resignation of Ross.

    Honestly, I don't believe that any article, objective or subjective would assist in the matter now. And so, moving on. It was what it was and time to move on.

    Hope that helps Rob.
     
  5. Weirdo

    Weirdo UKA Editor in Chief (Acting)
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    Ross has moved on to create a new website called Anime Independent. I have promoted some of his tweets launching the new site to help him get going as he is still one of my closest friends.

    His new twitter is here: https://twitter.com/AnimeIndy
     
  6. Necro

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    Nice, I'll keep tabs on it.
     
  7. latro

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    Agreed. Whatever has happened has happened, the person people took issue with is no longer working for the site. This should be the end of the matter. We are looking forwards not back.
     
  8. Elliotpage

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    To expand on a tweet I made and so I can absolve myself the guilt of subtweeting, I believe an article would still be valuable to both the site and the wider community because it can do what has been missing:

    An apology.

    It does not have to be from Ross himself. Having an apology from the site itself would be a positive step.
     
  9. Weirdo

    Weirdo UKA Editor in Chief (Acting)
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    I thought that I issued one already ? It was one of the first things I did when I was given the keys .
     
  10. Elliotpage

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    Sorry Seb, but both myself and others do not consider what was made an apology.
    It followed the mould of "I am sorry if you were offended", which did nothing to resolve the underlying discontent.

    A full apology for the content itself and a clear distancing from the views expressed is what is desired.
     
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    Agreed. There has been no apology, and no attempts to distance UKA from the views expressed on the podcast, in which he the current Editor-in-chief was a party. UKA is promoting Ross's new venture, which is in turn promoting UKA. Ross still owns UKA and the new team appears to consist of Ross's closest friends and allies, so the distance is questionable at best. Nothing has changed from what I can see, it's all just being swept under the carpet without addressing the issue.
     
  12. SUPERFISH5000

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    I'll chuck in my few pence for what it's worth:

    Although I missed out on the whole 'event', I've been reading between the lines and picking up bits and pieces here and there. Ultimately I'd have to agree that whatever went down hasn't been sufficiently summarised for those not in the know, nor has there been any meaningful apology from the site making it clear that what happened wasn't acceptable, and assurances made that it's fundamentally not what the UKA is about.

    Now I absolutely want the site to move forward from this. But it has to be understood that the difficulties of site ownership and personal ties are always going to make the 'event' stick to the site. Unless it's very expressly and frankly discussed, and ultimately 'owned' by the UKA as something that happened, then it's going to be very difficult to simply 'get over' for a lot of people.

    In short: summarise what went wrong. Assure us that it's not what the UKA is about, apologise for what happened, and tell us what has been done, and will be done, to make it right. It doesn't need to be name specific. If individuals involved want to discuss their involvement, then that's up to them, but the UKA needs to own up to this to move forward.
     
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    To be perfectly honest, I have to agree that this statement is wholly insufficient in addressing the issues that made the podcast so controversial in the first place: the slandering of another website, exclusionary gatekeeping attitudes that go against the nature of these communities existing, as well as views that can be described as politically far right, especially given that articles of pro-GamerGate rhetoric were linked alongside the podcast's publication. In this thread, the current Editor in Chief has also shared links to Ross' new venture, which will no doubt hold similar opinions to those expressed in the podcast, which can be interpreted as an endorsement of the site and views expressed on it.
    Ross using the brand account to have a public, personal argument with the President of Anime Limited was also in very bad form and similarly needs acknowledging and addressing.

    I must also add that this current level of response shows that even the current editorial team are unaware of what's really at stake here. While us different sites are more than welcome to our own editorial leanings and policy, we are all representatives of a single UK fandom - especially when the actions of one attract international attention, like this has. I've seen comments from people saying they no longer feel safe in the "UK fandom" and that reflects on all of us, whether it's UK Anime, Anime UK News, Japan Curiosity or anyone else.

    I appreciate that the new editorial team will want to move on from this and start carving their new vision for the site, as evidenced by this post's focus on the road-map for UK Anime moving forward, but you need to make sure one door is firmly closed before opening another, otherwise you'll be met with an unwelcome draft.

    I think before we can all truly put this behind us and move forward, there needs to be adequate closure: an earnest, public apology to Anime Feminist and a frank denial of the attitudes that people found so abhorrent.
     
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  14. Ross

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    I'll throw my two-penneth in for clarity and to answer your questions as best I can. I have avoided getting involved in the vitriolic discussions elsewhere and will continue to do so after this "statement".

    Firstly, thank you for your reasonable comments above, they are far calmer than I have been relayed back to me from elsewhere.

    To be clear, this is not a one-sided issue. I've had plenty of emails, comments on twitter etc that fail to see what the fuss is about. It's that support that encouraged me to set up something away from UKA where I can speak freely. I am not personally going to be gagged or run out of the community. UKA should stay neutral in all things however, and I crossed a line which alienated some of UKA's audience. I regret that.

    I will not be adding content to UKA in future. I was not asked to go, I took the decision for the sake of the site and because of the arguments the podcast caused internally. There were some that wanted me to stay, but friendships have been ruined by this and I felt it was the correct and responsible course of action for a clean break. Seb has been more than reasonable and I appreciate his efforts to bring people together where I forced them apart.

    Anyone remaining, no matter their relationship to me, has done nothing to cause any one of you offence. They are responsible for their own content as I am mine so show some common sense and judge them on their own merits.

    Regarding the podcast, the material was not well-handled, the intent of the podcast was mired in some ill-informed comments that were my own. It was this failure of editorial I resigned over in order to take full responsibility, not my underlying argument. I am very clear on my personal political leanings, some of you are offended because they do not match your own. That is life I'm afraid.

    UKA has always been run for the community. Nobody has the right to make demands of it or anyone who writes for it.

    For clarity, my personal opinion is that I want no politics of any type shoe-horned into anime. It's subversive and a betrayal of the authenticity of the creator's original intent. You shouldn't accept it when you agree with it and complain when you don't. I'd have been equally offended had it been edited to be pro-gun or pro-Trump. UKA is not the place to express those concerns however.

    Regarding apologies. I personally apologised on twitter for the podcast, discussed the issues raised with certain individuals in public and apologised directly to those people who registered personal offence (that I was aware of). I then removed the podcast and resigned as EIC. This is the limit of what I can do personally. If the site wishes to apologise for my failures of editorial and distance itself in an official comment, that is right and proper, and a decision to be made by Seb himself.

    That Anime Feminist was "singled out" from the full list of cited sources by a referenced article was simply because it was the only site name with a clear political agenda - Marxist, capitalist, socialist, whatever your -ist, it's a statement of political intent. I don't object to anyone's right to discuss these issues, I simply questioned if it was valid (albeit badly).

    I have been informed since the podcast that Amelia's site pays for contributions and is run as a proper business. That's admirable and explains why money was discussed so openly (one of my poorly made observations). Amelia has proven that she can handle herself with wit and bite. Contributions to AF are up, directly accredited to me. That's surely a win for her and I thought her riposte was perfectly aimed and delivered. Ouch.

    Finally, going forward.

    UKA runs on code I built from the ground up. It is paid for by me where advertising falls short, and not run for profit. It never has been. (Andy Hanley should confirm that when funds have allowed I have paid for his travel and accommodation at events like MCM). In that sense, yes I am the publisher of UKA, and if that offends you, then you have to vote with your browser. But be under no illusions, I do not profit from UKA, I will not interfere with Seb's Editorial mandate any more than I interfered with Andy Hanley's, I will not handle any advertising revenue, Seb is now directly and personally responsible for the site.

    Some of you I will see elsewhere, the rest, thank you and goodbye.
     
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  15. SUPERFISH5000

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    Thank you Ross. It's almost like you read my mind with some of the key points you've mentioned, and in doing so have identified some of the points that have been missing from the UKA side of things in what Seb has addressed so far.

    The clear statement that the comments/opinions were your own, and not that of the UKA, and that it was crossing a line to use the UKA as a means of forwarding those opinions directly, is what I believe to be the crux of what has caused the issue here. By all means, you're entitled to your thoughts and opinions as much as anyone else, and nobody has the right to 'gag' you, no matter how much they disagree. From what I see: the issue was that in using the UKA as a medium for presenting those views, you effectively tarred the user base as having the same opinions, and in doing so: disillusioned a number of people who did not support them.

    After thinking about it: I think you're right when you say that it is wrong for the UKA as a site to present politics of any persuasion, since either way you'll piss people off, and it's simply not what the UKA is about. Whether I, or anyone else, agrees with you on certain issues is something to discuss on a personal level. I've seen some pretty weird shit get discussed in the forums over the years, and personally I'd have no issue with a political area for discussion with our personal accounts. That way it's really clear what the site is about (anime and all things related) and what is a personal opinion, rather than a community or staff opinion.

    I have no doubt that once the new team are up and running, that the larger user base who visit the site for reviews, news, podcasts etc will see it as business as usual, but what I'd like to see is the UKA to put out a statement that is crystal clear: it should not have been used to present personal political opinions of any nature, the views expressed were personal and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the community as a whole, and it is sorry that it happened. I like to hope that once this is put out there, that we can re-build some of the relationships that have been broken in what I'd call the 'forum community', and we can all move forward. It would be a crying shame to lose any of the weird and wonderful lot who have hung around like a bad smell for so many years over this.
     
  16. Necro

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    I'll try to avoid being "that guy" as much as I can.

    Thank you Ross for your "statement" of sorts, cleared up a few things for me. I, for one, will be following your ventures. I have for the most part always agreed with you, and I agree with the overall message of what you just said. It's a shame things have worked out the way they have.

    That said if people feel the need for UKA to issue a front page apology and explanation, by all means I agree with that. It''s unfair to keep people out of the loop when so many positions have been changed, and for the sake of the sites reputation its probably not worth the hassle to not do so. I am proud to be a part of this community, as tightly knit as it may be. I already been "labeled" due to my other online homes, I would appreciate the UKA label to only mean anime nerd.

    I take issue with some of what you've said. in particular "In this thread, the current Editor in Chief has also shared links to Ross' new venture".

    He did so at my request, which otherwise would not have been included in the thread. The forum is for the sake of the community, and even though some may think that community as a whole wishes for Ross' resignation and exile, that would be false. I want to know what the owner of the site I frequent is now doing, and Seb graciously let me know.

    As an aside just to be "that guy" I said I wouldn't be, the ""gamergate"" monster reference is moot and quite frankly retarded. It's BS, and you know it.
     
  17. Weirdo

    Weirdo UKA Editor in Chief (Acting)
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    Right. I have finally been able to catch up on everything above. As those of you who know me are aware, this is not a business and is run voluntarily.

    So, I will not respond to each post, as things have moved considerably.

    The apology was made by Ross while he was EIC and was after the content was taken down. I will state that I, as the new EIC, am sorry that the opinions within the content caused offence and for the poor quality of the content and it is the policy of the website going forward that content of this nature will not be presented.

    While Ross has left all editorial and content responsibilities with me and the running of the site is also with me, he has effectively ceded all control. Allocation of budgets will be done by myself based on our income, with payment being made for hosting to Etharius Ltd for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately due to my time constraints both at home and at work I do not have the capacity at the current time to change this arrangement and I trust that this is satisfactory. I am not a website coder, not an expert on any of the technology side, and so this will take some time to resolve.

    Frankly, I honestly do not wish to write anything regarding the podcast and those articles linked. End of. I am aware that the podcast was distributed after it was removed, and that is likely out of my control. It is what it is. My intention is to move on. I appreciate the comments above and the feedback is useful, but its time to move on.

    I agree that the twitter argument with Andrew Partridge vs Ross was rather foolish. I personally would have liked for it to have been done on a personal account, not the UKA Twitter account, which is what Andrew did and its my personal opinion that any discussions of that nature should be done personally, not on a "corporate" account. I have spoken to Andy Hanley and while he did disagree strongly with Ross's comments, we are able to continue working professionally under the new management.

    Regarding my being the second voice on the podcast. I don't believe that I have anything that I ought to apologise for personally? Ironically enough, I personally have not heard the edited and published version, only the raw file, and admittedly I didn't hear anything in particular. If I am wrong, I appreciate any feedback and I will respond to anything which I personally am responsible for.

    Regarding the linking to Ross's account. This was requested above on this thread. I have liked a couple of his tweets and I **think** I retweeted the original launching post. I believe everyone should get a second chance, so why not give him the benefit of the doubt? That's what I like to believe anyways. At this stage, Anime Independent has no content, and only a series of tweets. There is nothing there to comment on.

    In terms of UKA going forwards, I am reviewing some community standards for reviewing and editorials, however this is a work in progress and due to limited time hasn't gotten very far. As I tweeted, this is a transition period and not everything will, nor can be resolved immediately. This is why I created a thread rather than doing anything further.

    As I have said, please give us time. This is not something which can be addressed quickly and we will keep discussions open and appreciate feedback.

    Seb Reid
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    To summarise:
    • Ross issued an apology using UKA while he was EIC.
    • I have issued an apology above.
    • The website is owned by Etharius Ltd for the foreseeable future. This company is owned by Ross, but he has no ties to any editorial or content decisions on the website. He has no administrative powers (Except on the forum, which is a quirk of Xenforo)
    • The argument with Anime Ltd was regrettable.
    • If I personally have said anything offensive, I will respond accordingly but I don't believe that I have.
    • UK-Anime.net does not endorse something which has no content. Anime Independent was launched, nothing more.
    • A UKA community standards check is being progressed, but this is a work in progress.
    • Like everything, this all takes time which is unfortunately limited for me at the current moment.
     
  18. dapprman

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    OK, it is my turn as someone who’s not a millennial, who’s not afraid to upset people, who suffers fools badly, who does not just hate political correctness but despairs over the damage it has already done to our society over the last 10-20 years (like the 30% year on year increase in cases of clinical depression amongst the late teens/early twenties as they find they’ve not been prepared for real life).

    I have listed to the podcast. I was fortunate to find it on another UK based anime forum, having been pointed in that direction. Did the pod cast take the wrong direction, yes. Was it wrong to start becoming political, yes, was it wrong to bring up the topics that caused the segue in to the controversial conversation – most certainly not. I actually found the comments and feedback from some of the members of the forum where I found the link to the podcast to be more extreme and far worse than the podcast itself – mainly, but not entirely from people who openly said they had not listened to it.

    The political portions, which caused the controversy, were not strong, they were not bad. Maybe they were misdirected and a little scare mongering, but I heard far worse as a student in Student Union meetings at Wolverhampton Polytechnic during the late 1980s, which at the time was a hot bed for the student left and Socialist Worker.

    Now as to the actual area of discussion that got peoples backs up. Do I agree with the sentiments of the topic that caused the escalation. Personally I strongly disagree with changing translations or meanings to make an anime fit Western morals and views. It’s the same for material from any foreign country/group. Would I agree with broadcasts from extreme left wing groups – no. Would I insist their media is censored and doctored so I can watch/listen to it – no I would not. I would simply not watch/read the material I personally find offensive. As Ross and Seb said in the podcast, Japan is an insular country with very few foreigners and rather authoritarian views to work ethics and crime. What they did not say is the Japanese are also inherently rather racist, and also that the legal age for sex there is just 12 (21 now for prostitution) hence why we see a lot of anime/manga/hentai/smut that in this country we should, through our upbringing, feel uncomfortable with. BTW the age of consent in the UK was only changed from 12 to 16 sometime around the First World War. Additionally I do not agree that stories should be changed to match political agendas (such as pro/anti Trump or making characters LGBT). When the topic went on to the changes to Transformers over trying to PCfy it I was reminded of Marvell Comics. A lot of press has been made about how they’ve changed the gender, colour and sexuality of various characters, but very little has been made about how doing that almost bankrupted them as readership flooded away. Without the movies they kept the rights to (so not Fantastic Four, X-Men, etc) they would be no more. I actually have no problems with new characters and comics being created with more politically correct characters – I just do not agree with changing existing ones to pander to the PC movement.

    On the risk of an animegate – well I have strong views on black gate, white gate, woman gate, and any other gate where a group want positive discrimination to balance the perceived books. Positive discrimination is just discrimination, nothing more, nothing less, it is equally as bad. Interestingly enough I note the latest ‘black gate’ is over the lack of black main characters in sci fi. I note nothing is said that there’s even fewer Chinese characters despite the fact most modern hard science fiction stories highlight the views that if there were to be another race to space or push to conquer the stars, the Chinese would almost certainly dominate.

    BTW I wonder how many here (hopefully none) both want to censure/shoot down Ross but at the same time are supporting Count Dankula. I also hate hypocrisy.

    In summary, I think the podcast went in the wrong direction and politics was brought in, which should not have been allowed, however I do not believe it was as bad as people have made out or that the sentiments of Ross and Seb should be deemed to be extreme. I stand behind them. I do also believe that taking the podcast down may have been the wrong thing as that may have helped fan the flames. I hope that those who were unhappy do stay – it is a great community here and, unlike elsewhere – such as the forum where I found the podcast, there is very little nastiness or ugliness here (I’ve been told the other forum is now much improved).
     
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    I regret that I'm about to disappoint some people to whom I said I was done with this whole affair. Dan Barnett and Seb in particular.

    Oh but you edited your original post to remove this, didn't you:
    Oh yeah, that's a good point, because feminism is the philosophy of radically excluding the hated male gender altogether, right? Excuse me while I unroll my eyes.

    You're half right though, but you'll note Amelia isn't here saying her own piece. *Our forum* is not a safe space in her opinion. Note - this Privileged White Boy is not posting on her behalf - I just think objecting to your self-serving 'sorry if you decided to take offence to my political views' non-apology is the right thing to do. You didn't question AniFem's validity "badly". You painted them as an illigitimate intruder into 'real' fandom. Imputing bad, "political" motives to their anime criticism. You've apologised for coming within a hair's breadth of accusing them of financial misdeeds, but you've doubled down on gatekeeping and deligitimisation with your "no politics in my anime" position restated here.

    So, let's talk about Privileged White Boys other than me. Privileged White Boys think they get to decide that their politics are not politics, but instead valid content for art and context for criticism, but that other people's politics are illegitimate intrusions into their politics-free safe space. This is nonsense. Do you honestly expect people to accept that gender is "politics" (in your Transformers example) but that conflict is apolitical? Or that militarism in G.I. Joe is apolitical? "Keep your politics out of my anime" is nonsense. Almost everything in art, especially art depicting people, has political dimensions that can be considered to enrich enjoyment and make you think.

    We should be glad that AniFem exists. They don't take anything away from us. Instead they add a diverse set of voices and perspectives to our mostly lovely community.

    Your specific political philosophy isn't the main issue I have with the podcast (others mileage may vary, but I'm only speaking for myself here). It is disingenuous to claim that your critics are merely offended by your persuasions and looking to score points against the political 'other' while clutching their pearls. I must object to your repeated use of violent imagery and metaphors in the podcast. Artists and writers choosing to add gendered, queer and trans characters and stories to comic books is not 'ramming it down the throats of readers', who you also take pains to remind us are often young. Writing a comic book is not violent child abuse. You used this metaphor repeatedly. You even said it about a queer character. This is not you having an open discussion about a subject on which well-intentioned people may reasonably disagree. This is the language of demonisation. "A failure of editorial" indeed.

    Your throwaway suggestion, that all political violence comes from the left, is beneath contempt.

    Oh but AniFem made some money out of your public self-immolation, so that's fine, right? No it isn't. How many people heard you throwing shade on AniFem on the podcast and won't take the time to read your statement where you row it back? How many people didn't hear the podcast, but heard about it since and will jump to the wrong conclusion, that these wicked feminists hounded you out for having right wing politics? It is not fine.

    What I can't believe is how stupid the whole thing was. Decades of patient community and reputation building by a large cast of volunteers, battered, so you could spend 30 minutes spewing poison and have a twitter spat. Obviously this Privileged White Boy was just the tiniest cog in the UK-A machine - it's the others who put in years of work I feel sorry for.
     
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  20. Necro

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    You may not be replying to me but I've since listened to the podcast and am infuriated and genuinely disappointed by the response that certain members of this community have had, so i'm using you as my gateway.

    I fail to see how he attacked AF in any meaningful way. He used them as an example as listed in the articles. The funding aspect was misguided and pretty irrelevant for the argument, however that was again using them as an example for an overall dislike of a particular funding model. The fact it was phrased in a way that portrayed UKA's funding as superior doesn't detract from the point that writing for the love of the fandom should supersede any incentive to do so, especially when you're looking at things in a political slant that was never intended. Can you discuss the roles and attributes of characters and tropes through multiple lenses? Absolutely. Should the sociopolitical implications of that be considered and wedged into the art form because of this? No, because it isn't relevant to the purpose of form. It can reduce the validity of any further work as its tainted by the ideologies that they're attempting to pander to, and it is pandering. People will always find fault with something, no matter how hard you try.

    I agree with you mostly here, it's hard to distance yourself from political points you have no issue with compared to ones you do. Conflict in general can very easily be non political however. Most shounen series do this perfectly well. It's simply a case of bad guy vs good guy. Dissect that how you will, but if you try you can paint it with what ever opinion you want it to represent. GI Joe is obviously a pro military series, so the politics are hard to dismiss.

    The difference is though, that's clearly intended to be like that. The point being made was that Transformers is about fighting talking robots. It has no obvious existing political message, and is as Ross said aimed at Children. In the same way that people may take issue with series like GI Joe indoctrinating children into agreeing with the military agenda, forcing any other form of politics, social or not, shouldn't really happen. Including very specific and nuanced topics such as Transgender issues in a kids show, however valid they may be, shouldn't happen. Kids don't need to worry about those things, especially considering the fraction of the population it represents.

    We shouldn't be glad for anything but there is another avenue that can bring people into the anime community and spread its awareness. They do that, fantastic. But we shouldn't be "glad" that someone has an agenda to push.

    The rest is basically you taking issue with his disagreement with feminism as a whole, even though that isn't something that comes across in the podcast if you listen to it with a reasonable brain. The podcast mentions AF a couple of times, and the topic is then moved to non-feminist topics. The fact that several publishers including DC and Marvel have tried and failed to create characters and comics featuring all of these "minority" puppets to appease the current climate of forced diversity shows that it's not the big, scary issue that the eternally offended seem to think it is.

    The term minority has a definition, and the fact that these "minorities" are VASTLY over represented in geek-culture feels very disingenuous and forced. Not everything has to include EVERY type of person under the sun. It's unrealistic, it's pathetic and it makes people want to avoid these topics that should be discussed in a serious manner. Look at the current situation with any sort of journalism. By attempting to be inclusive, it causes nothing but division. See this podcast as an example.
     

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